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May be other things rule our romance or life?! We ...

2008-05-24T10:26:00.000-04:00

May be other things rule our romance or life?! We just use plants because we have no other sources or enough information to refer to. May be it’s easy to assign blame to planets rather than our inability to control our relationships.

Thanks for your perspective, Beth! And I do tend t...

2008-05-06T15:45:00.000-04:00

Thanks for your perspective, Beth! And I do tend to agree with you about the scars, but as both Karen and Flossy note later: healed scar tissue is stronger than unmarred skin.

By no means am I an advocate of running out and getting into Plutonian situations! As Jeff said, not going too deep into the underworld is the trick, and it's certainly a tricky trick to pull off, especially as a youngster.

In my opinion, one of two things happens to folks who are drawn into these situations. They either don't survive (death is not the only way to "fail to survive" either) or they get better at riding that fine line between the two faces of Pluto. Folks who manage the latter are usually very powerful people...

...for better or worse.

Thanks for the conversation, everyone!

Plutonian relationships. Heaven and hell in the o...

2008-05-04T08:20:00.000-04:00

Plutonian relationships. Heaven and hell in the one with 10 times the intensity of a normal relationship. I was burnt to the ground but I've risen like a phoenix from those ashes. When you've lost yourself and almost lost your life and looked that in the eye, there is nothing that anyone can possibly do anymore to scare you. And that my friends is liberation.

Jeff:thanks for the heads up about my saturn trans...

2008-05-04T01:13:00.000-04:00

Jeff:

thanks for the heads up about my saturn transit! I guess it is only natural for a taurus to have some "stability."

It's absurd though because most of my life isn't like that!! I can't find stability at all!

But it is true, I do have many saturn connections too, I completely forgot about that.

Thanks!

Starrynight,re: Plutonian/dangerous liaisons, I wa...

2008-05-03T06:11:00.000-04:00

Starrynight,re: Plutonian/dangerous liaisons, I want to sugest something different to you, which is neither agreement nor disagreement but more information.
While I don't advocate relationships with unavailable people either, like you say(married, addicts), I disagree that just like addictions themselves we are simply scarred afterward, even if healed(recovered).
When we begin to recover from an addiction, or return to emotional sobriety after a "Plutonian" dangerous love affair, at first it is just about survival.
Having done both of these myself, more than once, I can tell you that recovery, and then rebuilding has taught me many many lessons.I don't mean only the lesson of "don't go there ever again" ;-)
I mean that I've learned many important lifechanging and spirituality- based "lessons".
No, I don't suggest doing self-destructive things with the excuse or on the chance that we might learn something!
But having been through some real dangerous rides, and been though frustrating, painful, and disastrous love afairs, I eventually learned what I needed to stop *repeating* those patterns. Plus I learned much more about myself, and the nature of people in general.
I am scarred yes.But also stronger and better adjusted.
Karen-Proserpine

I understood you shygirl.And exclusion:-)I saw you...

2008-05-03T05:48:00.000-04:00

I understood you shygirl.
And exclusion:-)I saw your ;-) but everything fun/enjoyable isn't goofing around.
I understood what Jeffrey was sayingto mean that if we're doing something we find meaningful, that we're passionate about or that gives us that deep feeling of fulfilment or that we just feel real interest in--that *is* fun.

May,it's Karen here-- I have Uranus conjunct my de...

2008-05-03T05:37:00.000-04:00

May,it's Karen here-- I have Uranus conjunct my descendant -and while obviously, I have lots of other aspects that may make a difference, I just wanted to tell you that, I've had plenty of unusual relationships, nonetheless last month(April 10th) my husband and I have been together 28 yrs.
So, things can last even if we're influenced by Uranus.:-)

@Laura F. Walton, I suppose the challenge of a Plu...

2008-05-02T13:15:00.000-04:00

@Laura F. Walton, I suppose the challenge of a Plutonian is not going too deep into the underworld. A Plutonic relationship can be profoundly healing if you approach it as agent of transformation. However, it can also just be obsessive-compulsive, and you can end up robbed and beaten up in a dingy motel room after having rendezvoused with a prostitute working in a crime ring.

"I've also found that people with heavy Plutonian ...

2008-05-01T21:32:00.000-04:00

"I've also found that people with heavy Plutonian romantic influences seem to experience tremendous growth through this kind of entanglement. In fact, during the times when Plutonians opt to play it too safe (out of fear, guilt, or fatigue) they end up with stunted growth elsewhere too, and a whole host of interesting new problems"

That's an interesting thought, though I personally have yet to meet a client that haven't suffered emotional scars from a Plutonian based relationship. Its like suffering through an addiction, there is some part of you that is broken. You'll heal if you put in the work. but its like a piece of shrapnel, always there.

Now people with a heavy Pluto influence, a Scorpio or someone with a serious Pluto connection to a personal planet, those people are here to experience intensity, but it doesn't have to be a relationship.

Relationships with people who are married, addicted or obsessed are never healthy under any conditions.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Beth

I think I may have misrepresented myself with my ...

2008-05-01T20:48:00.000-04:00

I think I may have misrepresented myself with my comment about 'enjoying life', (I cans see that now based on people's response to it). I was coming from a much deeper, spiritual/philosophical perspective, but since I didn't elaborate the context, it seems to have taken a whole different meaning....:-)

You seem conflicted, shy girl. Perhaps you will op...

2008-05-01T20:41:00.000-04:00

You seem conflicted, shy girl. Perhaps you will open up more and see all the great things available to us to enjoy without guilt!

And enjoying doesn't mean indulgence or decadence. Honor, hard earn respect, connections, etc. You find the real meaning for you to enjoy in this life.

Pluto is another unlikely candidate in the romance...

2008-05-01T19:47:00.000-04:00

Pluto is another unlikely candidate in the romance department, but for many people it is a potent force... If dancing with danger is not your cup of tea, run -- don't walk -- to the nearest exit to avoid the fire! One day, you'll be glad you did.

Hi Jeff! I've also found that people with heavy Plutonian romantic influences seem to experience tremendous growth through this kind of entanglement. In fact, during the times when Plutonians opt to play it too safe (out of fear, guilt, or fatigue) they end up with stunted growth elsewhere too, and a whole host of interesting new problems. It's like they become psychologically constipated.

Of course, there's danger and then there's DANGER. The former seems mainly to involve intensity, depth, and unfamiliar territory. Upper-case DANGER is just plain self-destruction or misplaced rage. There's a line, and in my opinion, a Plutonian needs to learn it, by facing and accepting those powerful drives.

Opinion?

to "obtain a sense of fulfillment"

2008-05-01T09:46:00.000-04:00

to "obtain a sense of fulfillment"

Enjoyment is not in having fun for everyone. Diffe...

2008-04-30T21:29:00.000-04:00

Enjoyment is not in having fun for everyone. Different people enjoy different things ;)

@shygirl, I find meaning in doing things that help...

2008-04-30T20:46:00.000-04:00

@shygirl, I find meaning in doing things that help me to express myself. Sometimes that's work, other times it's play. And I do feel a sense of urgency about it. But it's not a philosophical attitude.

......to enjoy the time we have on earth.....WOW !...

2008-04-30T15:13:00.000-04:00

......to enjoy the time we have on earth.....

WOW !!! I'm having an epiphany here...all these years I kept thinking we were supposed to do something deeper, like find the meaning of life or something...:-) I guess when you think about it, having fun & truly enjoying life for whatever it brings is HARDER than it seems.

@may, perhaps when Saturn enters your 7th and then...

2008-04-30T14:30:00.000-04:00

@may, perhaps when Saturn enters your 7th and then opposes your Aries Venus there will be more focus on stability in your love life. In just a few years... Plus many of those Uranus aspects are also Saturn aspects, so Uranus is "tempered."

@shygirl, to enjoy the time we have on earth.

2008-04-30T13:52:00.000-04:00

@shygirl, to enjoy the time we have on earth.

So Jeffrey, So if nothing lasts forever & we all t...

2008-04-30T11:25:00.000-04:00

So Jeffrey, So if nothing lasts forever & we all turn to dust, why do we even try?

May,You MAY have more relationships that do not la...

2008-04-30T10:58:00.000-04:00

May,

You MAY have more relationships that do not last, but it is possible for anyone to have a long lasting relationship providing you know the traps you can fall into. I have Uranus opposite my Sun, but I've had two marriages, one that lasted ten years and this one sixteen and still going. We all have free will, and we all have the ability to make lemonade out of the lemons handed to us. This is why astrologers are around, to help us do this ;)

Beth

Nothing lasts, May. We all turn to dust.

2008-04-30T10:21:00.000-04:00

Nothing lasts, May. We all turn to dust.

great. I have a heavy load of uranus connections i...

2008-04-30T06:01:00.000-04:00

great. I have a heavy load of uranus connections in my chart. Nothing lasts. Ever?

Hey, don't thank me, I just published it. It's by ...

2008-04-29T23:00:00.000-04:00

Hey, don't thank me, I just published it. It's by Beth from astrologyexplored.com

Good info....:-) Thank you Jeffrey, this helped me...

2008-04-29T21:06:00.000-04:00

Good info....:-) Thank you Jeffrey, this helped me think of the question I had just asked on the other blog earlier today.

Jupiter, the beneficent fatso, often brings on rom...

2008-04-29T20:27:00.000-04:00

Jupiter, the beneficent fatso, often brings on romance hot and heavy, with lots of sex and the consequences thereof. Jupiter rules the freewheeling sign of Sagittarius, which loves to love 'em and leave 'em.

Interesting... Relationship with Cappy ex started while Jupiter was conjunct my natal Venus. I got pregnant about 6 months later, while Jupiter was conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint in my 5th house. Apparently Sun was somewhere near conjoining my natal Moon at that time. My 8th house begins in Sag.
(I have no children, and the relationship is gone, for a while now)

While I'm digging thru that year... He told me he loved me just around transiting Venus conjunct natal Moon, and Mars leaving conjunction with retrograde Uranus... Out of the blue :)

Good post, thanks!